Symptoms of a stuck compression release? (2024)

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Patrick

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  • Aug 17, 2014
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What are the symptoms of a stuck compression release? I have a mild pre-hemi predator that suddenly wont start after sitting for a few weeks. I have been through everything outside of the crankcase multiple times. It won't fire well enough to catch and run. Just seems to gurgle out the exhaust, kind of like severly retarded timing. Arc flywheel with 32 deg advance, Isky Black Mamba Jr cam, Arc long rod and Wiesco piston, 18cc head, 11.4:1 comp ratio.

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Patrick

flattop1

Dawg 89
  • Aug 17, 2014
  • #2

Kinda like severly retarded timming. that's where I would look first.
comp release will pull the rope out of your hand , of course with proper timming. Ie: hard to pull.
then valve lash.

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Patrick

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  • Aug 17, 2014
  • #3

Good thoughts. I am thinking that the compression release is stuck in the release (up) position. I have set the lash from 0 to 0.004. Makes a no difference. Hoping to get the engine pulled this week and opened up.

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lemtracy

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  • Aug 17, 2014
  • #4

What kind of fuel, gas or methanol? if methanol check your carb. you should be able to see if the compression release is working when you adjusted the valves

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standup guy

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  • Aug 17, 2014
  • #5

I had a motor with a similar problem, it would fire but never pick up off a low idle and I suspected the compression release as well. I pulled the cam and my suspicions were correct, the little weight on the compression release had broken off. Without the weight the comp release would not pull off. I tig welded the little weight back on and problem solved. I had a friend that also had the little weight fly off, but in his case the weight got caught in the cam gear and it was ugly. I now add an extra tack weld to hold the weight on all my new cams for cheap insurance.

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Patrick

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  • Aug 17, 2014
  • #7

Already checked the ignition timing already and it is fine, key is still in place. I'm running gas. The release is lifting the exhaust valve on the compression stroke.

The engine will not start and run. Having checked everything else, the release is the only thing I could think off that may be the problem. I am going to be using an electric starter so I may just remove the release altogether.

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Patrick

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  • Aug 19, 2014
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Got the engine pulled and opened up this morning. Release was not broken or stuck, but does not move as freely as the one on the stock cam from the engine. Found a post on the OMB site about 2 people having the same problem. They found that with the reduced base circle of the Black Mamba cam that the release was holding the ex valve open for too long. I plan to remove all of the release parts and try again. May be a week before I can get back to it as I have to go to Denver for a wedding. Will update if that fixes the problem.

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screamn 2

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  • Aug 19, 2014
  • #9

Patrick said:

Got the engine pulled and opened up this morning. Release was not broken or stuck, but does not move as freely as the one on the stock cam from the engine. Found a post on the OMB site about 2 people having the same problem. They found that with the reduced base circle of the Black Mamba cam that the release was holding the ex valve open for too long. I plan to remove all of the release parts and try again. May be a week before I can get back to it as I have to go to Denver for a wedding. Will update if that fixes the problem.

"Interesting"....(Have you talked too Tim "Isky" about that?)

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youngengines

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  • Aug 19, 2014
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Patrick said:

Got the engine pulled and opened up this morning. Release was not broken or stuck, but does not move as freely as the one on the stock cam from the engine. Found a post on the OMB site about 2 people having the same problem. They found that with the reduced base circle of the Black Mamba cam that the release was holding the ex valve open for too long. I plan to remove all of the release parts and try again. May be a week before I can get back to it as I have to go to Denver for a wedding. Will update if that fixes the problem.

What do you mean remove the release parts? If you don't have a starter, you cant remove the release...well, it will be REAL hard to pull start. I recommend this, measure the height of the part of the release that the lifter runs across on both cams (stock and Black Mamba), from memory around .050 is a good number..if its too much, you can tap it down some, and make sure you don't put a burr on it..I have had to do it a few times.

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Patrick

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  • Aug 19, 2014
  • #11

I will measure both parts. If there is a difference I will note it here and just tap to adjust. I fully understand that I won't be pull starting this engine with the release removed. I intended to drive the 3 pins out that hold the sliding weight, spring, and release ramp. For a starter I am using an early 80's VW diesel (non-turbo) gear reduction starter. They spin CCW stock and are a permanent magnet style.

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Patrick

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  • Aug 19, 2014
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BTW, I have not talked with Tim about this.

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youngengines

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  • Aug 19, 2014
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Patrick said:

I will measure both parts. If there is a difference I will note it here and just tap to adjust. I fully understand that I won't be pull starting this engine with the release removed. I intended to drive the 3 pins out that hold the sliding weight, spring, and release ramp. For a starter I am using an early 80's VW diesel (non-turbo) gear reduction starter. They spin CCW stock and are a permanent magnet style.

Ok, cool. I wasn't tying to be a smarty. Have to tried to start it with the starter? The starters I have will spin it fast enough to disengauge the compression release anyway

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Patrick

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  • Aug 19, 2014
  • #14

youngengines said:

Have to tried to start it with the starter? The starters I have will spin it fast enough to disengauge the compression release anyway

Haven't tried with the starter yet, I have to make an outboard bearing support first. I have been using a 1/2" drill motor but that isn't fast enough to disengage the release.

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Kart43

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  • Aug 19, 2014
  • #15

It does not have to spin it fast enough to disengage the comp release, you only have to spin it enough to start and it will disengage itself. I think you will find it is not the comp release,

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youngengines

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  • Aug 19, 2014
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I tried to fire one with a 1/2 drill...The problem was..When it tried to fire the drill wouldn't let it go..it would try hit and pop back...it puzzled me for a while. .I finally put the pull start on it and if fired up.

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tbyji2

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  • Aug 26, 2014
  • #17

Be careful trying to start with a drill, had a JD mower with a old Kohler motor on it that the starter had went out on. My wrist hurt for days and the drill never worked again.

What I am going to say now may make you flinch. But will it run on Ether? If so id look into the carb.

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Patrick

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  • Aug 27, 2014
  • #18

Just back from Denver. Was just spinning the engine with the drill for diagnostics. It would not run on ether. I have been through the carb 3 times (mikuni 22mm), tried several coils, coil gaps, wires, plugs, head gaskets, and even a different head. Now that the engine is removed I am going to put the degree wheel on it to see just where the plug is firing, but it ran before it sat so I doubt that changed (no, the key is not sheared). The compression release lever measured 0.016" higher than the stock cam, not a lot but it also looked like it had some weird wear marks on it and the engine has only run for maybe an hour total since new.

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Kart43

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  • Aug 27, 2014
  • #19

If it does not fire on ether you have ignition, or compression problem. Have you replaced the spark plug? many will fire outside the cylinder but will not fire under compression. You already said the key is fine and you are using a FW that fires at 32* why are you doubting the fire point? Have you actually removed the flywheel and inspected the key, since this all started? Do you actually see a spark at the plug, outside of the cylinder? Have you checked the leads to the kill switch?

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Symptoms of a stuck compression release? (2024)

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What are the symptoms of a compression leak? ›

Compression leak between cylinders: Rough idling, misfires, and a loss of power may indicate that the head gasket has failed between cylinders. This causes a loss of compression as compression leaks from one cylinder to the next and can cause exhaust gasses to flow back into the intake.

What does a compression release do? ›

A compression release mechanism works to ease the starting of internal combustion engines by allowing them to rotate to starting speed without having to work against the compression of the pistons.

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Exhaust valves and air intake valves at the top of the cylinder can also get overheated, and leak gas or the valve seals can become too worn to seal the gas in properly. Either way, the result is often low compression. Several valve problems can lead to low compression.

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If all engine cylinders have low engine compression, then your car will not start no matter how hard you try to make it operational. This happens because your car engine does not have enough pressure to ignite the air-fuel mixture.

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Outlook (Prognosis) Most compression fractures due to injury heal in 8 to 10 weeks with rest, wearing of a brace, and pain medicines. However, recovery can take much longer if surgery was done.

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While using compression can help tame dynamics, over-using it can result in the music having no energy, and sounding quieter than you wanted it to.

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If you want to squash/limit your sound – use short release (50-10 ms), if you want to keep it natural – use long release time (200+ms). The great universal starting point is 100 ms.

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Compression therapy can improve blood circulation in the legs and reduce pain and swelling. In addition, it can help: Heal ulcers and wounds caused by blood pooling. Manage conditions such as chronic venous insufficiency and orthostatic hypotension.

What is the first thing to check if the engine lacks compression? ›

A decrease in power output is a sign of worn-out internal parts. Sometimes, an engine misfire code may indicate compression loss, but first, check the ignition and fuel for problems. If both are fine, it'll be time to investigate the cylinders for proper compression.

Does low compression mean bad head gasket? ›

Usually, a compression test won't show a problem with the head gasket. A combustion test or a leak-down test better tests for that purpose. The combustion test will show if there is hot exhaust going into the cooling system. The leak down will bubble in the coolant.

Can a bad injector cause low compression? ›

Once the fuel injector is spraying in a different direction, this can clean oil off the walls of the cylinder. As a result, the walls will heat up, and this will result in a loss of compression. At the same time, the new spray pattern may cause liquids to hit the piston and cut a hole through it.

What are the symptoms of a loose compression engine? ›

Common signs of low compression is reduced engine power, engine blowby, engine slower or harder to start, engine exhaust smoke low compression gauge measurement testing , higher fuel consumption , higher emissions and etc.

Will an engine idle with low compression? ›

If you have a 4 cylinder engine & lose compression on one of the cylinders, you just lost 25% of your power. Say it produces 200 hp…you're now down to 150…it will still run & drive, but mpg & acceleration will suffer. It will also idle/run rough & vibrate/shake more.

What are the symptoms of worn piston rings and cylinders? ›

Bad piston rings will cause the color to change or deepen dramatically. When the piston ring fails or becomes too worn to form a seal, the exhaust turns to a thick, dark gray, or bluish color. You might also smell burning oil.

What are the signs of a blown head gasket? ›

Increased engine running temperature.

Engine gauge showing maximum temperature after a few minutes. Cloud of exhaust fumes when idling, or white smoke coming from exhaust. Coolant clearly leaking onto the ground beneath the head gasket. Bubbles forming in the radiator and reservoir overflow.

What does loss of compression feel like? ›

Low compression causes incomplete combustion—also known as a misfire. When one or more of the cylinders are misfiring, you'll notice that the engine runs rough. You may also notice a hesitation upon acceleration and an overall lack of power.

What is lost if there are leaks in the compression system? ›

Leaks can be a significant source of wasted energy in an industrial compressed air system, sometimes wasting 20-30% of a compressor's output. A typical plant that has not been well maintained will likely have a leak rate equal to 20% of total compressed air production capacity.

Will a compression test show a leaking head gasket? ›

Usually, a compression test won't show a problem with the head gasket.

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