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Patrick
New member
- Aug 17, 2014
- #1
What are the symptoms of a stuck compression release? I have a mild pre-hemi predator that suddenly wont start after sitting for a few weeks. I have been through everything outside of the crankcase multiple times. It won't fire well enough to catch and run. Just seems to gurgle out the exhaust, kind of like severly retarded timing. Arc flywheel with 32 deg advance, Isky Black Mamba Jr cam, Arc long rod and Wiesco piston, 18cc head, 11.4:1 comp ratio.
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Patrick
flattop1
Dawg 89
- Aug 17, 2014
- #2
Kinda like severly retarded timming. that's where I would look first.
comp release will pull the rope out of your hand , of course with proper timming. Ie: hard to pull.
then valve lash.
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Patrick
New member
- Aug 17, 2014
- #3
Good thoughts. I am thinking that the compression release is stuck in the release (up) position. I have set the lash from 0 to 0.004. Makes a no difference. Hoping to get the engine pulled this week and opened up.
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lemtracy
Member
- Aug 17, 2014
- #4
What kind of fuel, gas or methanol? if methanol check your carb. you should be able to see if the compression release is working when you adjusted the valves
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standup guy
New member
- Aug 17, 2014
- #5
I had a motor with a similar problem, it would fire but never pick up off a low idle and I suspected the compression release as well. I pulled the cam and my suspicions were correct, the little weight on the compression release had broken off. Without the weight the comp release would not pull off. I tig welded the little weight back on and problem solved. I had a friend that also had the little weight fly off, but in his case the weight got caught in the cam gear and it was ugly. I now add an extra tack weld to hold the weight on all my new cams for cheap insurance.
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Kart43
Member
- Aug 17, 2014
- #6
If the compression release is stuck to open the valve it probably would not run at all, and it would fail quickly. I would suggest checking your ign timing, slipped or sheared key.
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Patrick
New member
- Aug 17, 2014
- #7
Already checked the ignition timing already and it is fine, key is still in place. I'm running gas. The release is lifting the exhaust valve on the compression stroke.
The engine will not start and run. Having checked everything else, the release is the only thing I could think off that may be the problem. I am going to be using an electric starter so I may just remove the release altogether.
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Patrick
New member
- Aug 19, 2014
- #8
Got the engine pulled and opened up this morning. Release was not broken or stuck, but does not move as freely as the one on the stock cam from the engine. Found a post on the OMB site about 2 people having the same problem. They found that with the reduced base circle of the Black Mamba cam that the release was holding the ex valve open for too long. I plan to remove all of the release parts and try again. May be a week before I can get back to it as I have to go to Denver for a wedding. Will update if that fixes the problem.
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screamn 2
New member
- Aug 19, 2014
- #9
Patrick said:
Got the engine pulled and opened up this morning. Release was not broken or stuck, but does not move as freely as the one on the stock cam from the engine. Found a post on the OMB site about 2 people having the same problem. They found that with the reduced base circle of the Black Mamba cam that the release was holding the ex valve open for too long. I plan to remove all of the release parts and try again. May be a week before I can get back to it as I have to go to Denver for a wedding. Will update if that fixes the problem.
"Interesting"....(Have you talked too Tim "Isky" about that?)
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youngengines
Member
- Aug 19, 2014
- #10
Patrick said:
Got the engine pulled and opened up this morning. Release was not broken or stuck, but does not move as freely as the one on the stock cam from the engine. Found a post on the OMB site about 2 people having the same problem. They found that with the reduced base circle of the Black Mamba cam that the release was holding the ex valve open for too long. I plan to remove all of the release parts and try again. May be a week before I can get back to it as I have to go to Denver for a wedding. Will update if that fixes the problem.
What do you mean remove the release parts? If you don't have a starter, you cant remove the release...well, it will be REAL hard to pull start. I recommend this, measure the height of the part of the release that the lifter runs across on both cams (stock and Black Mamba), from memory around .050 is a good number..if its too much, you can tap it down some, and make sure you don't put a burr on it..I have had to do it a few times.
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Patrick
New member
- Aug 19, 2014
- #11
I will measure both parts. If there is a difference I will note it here and just tap to adjust. I fully understand that I won't be pull starting this engine with the release removed. I intended to drive the 3 pins out that hold the sliding weight, spring, and release ramp. For a starter I am using an early 80's VW diesel (non-turbo) gear reduction starter. They spin CCW stock and are a permanent magnet style.
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Patrick
New member
- Aug 19, 2014
- #12
BTW, I have not talked with Tim about this.
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youngengines
Member
- Aug 19, 2014
- #13
Patrick said:
I will measure both parts. If there is a difference I will note it here and just tap to adjust. I fully understand that I won't be pull starting this engine with the release removed. I intended to drive the 3 pins out that hold the sliding weight, spring, and release ramp. For a starter I am using an early 80's VW diesel (non-turbo) gear reduction starter. They spin CCW stock and are a permanent magnet style.
Ok, cool. I wasn't tying to be a smarty. Have to tried to start it with the starter? The starters I have will spin it fast enough to disengauge the compression release anyway
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Patrick
New member
- Aug 19, 2014
- #14
youngengines said:
Have to tried to start it with the starter? The starters I have will spin it fast enough to disengauge the compression release anyway
Haven't tried with the starter yet, I have to make an outboard bearing support first. I have been using a 1/2" drill motor but that isn't fast enough to disengage the release.
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Kart43
Member
- Aug 19, 2014
- #15
It does not have to spin it fast enough to disengage the comp release, you only have to spin it enough to start and it will disengage itself. I think you will find it is not the comp release,
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youngengines
Member
- Aug 19, 2014
- #16
I tried to fire one with a 1/2 drill...The problem was..When it tried to fire the drill wouldn't let it go..it would try hit and pop back...it puzzled me for a while. .I finally put the pull start on it and if fired up.
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tbyji2
Member
- Aug 26, 2014
- #17
Be careful trying to start with a drill, had a JD mower with a old Kohler motor on it that the starter had went out on. My wrist hurt for days and the drill never worked again.
What I am going to say now may make you flinch. But will it run on Ether? If so id look into the carb.
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Patrick
New member
- Aug 27, 2014
- #18
Just back from Denver. Was just spinning the engine with the drill for diagnostics. It would not run on ether. I have been through the carb 3 times (mikuni 22mm), tried several coils, coil gaps, wires, plugs, head gaskets, and even a different head. Now that the engine is removed I am going to put the degree wheel on it to see just where the plug is firing, but it ran before it sat so I doubt that changed (no, the key is not sheared). The compression release lever measured 0.016" higher than the stock cam, not a lot but it also looked like it had some weird wear marks on it and the engine has only run for maybe an hour total since new.
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Kart43
Member
- Aug 27, 2014
- #19
If it does not fire on ether you have ignition, or compression problem. Have you replaced the spark plug? many will fire outside the cylinder but will not fire under compression. You already said the key is fine and you are using a FW that fires at 32* why are you doubting the fire point? Have you actually removed the flywheel and inspected the key, since this all started? Do you actually see a spark at the plug, outside of the cylinder? Have you checked the leads to the kill switch?
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