Predator valve adjustment help (2024)

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Provff26

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  • Nov 15, 2013
  • #1

I know not many people run predators yet but we do at our track. It was low on compression when cold so we adjusted the valves to factory which is 5 and 7 thousandths(int/exh). Not sure if this is supposed to be a cold or hot adjustment. The manual didnt specify. What do you guys set them to if there are any that run them. We are using stock valve springs btw

flattop1

Dawg 89
  • Nov 15, 2013
  • #2

plenty run them .
I would say most are a little tighter. did you check them before adjustment? if so what were they at? The valve adjustment can be a lttle trickey with the compression release. couple ways, at tdc and the other method I do not quite remember but it is when one valve is closing and when one valve is opening. hope some one chimes in with that method as it does seem to be a bit better.

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supercajun

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  • Nov 15, 2013
  • #3

i put mine both at 4

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Provff26

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  • Nov 15, 2013
  • #4

They were at 3 and 4 before. But this was cold. And the engine was ten lbs down on compression. We alsp did my brothers he gained 15 lbs compression also cold. But im thinking now that it wasnt right to check ot cold and may have revwrse effect when the engine heats up. Im just at a loss

flattop1

Dawg 89
  • Nov 15, 2013
  • #5

should be able to tighten up to near zero. as long as valve stays shut it should not leak . .005 or
.010 it should not gain compression via valve lash adjustment. typically they gain clearance as they warm up.

older n dirt

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  • Nov 15, 2013
  • #7

I think the Predator is the same as a Clone and has a exhaust relief lever built into the cam, this just makes it easier to crank. But would probably give you false compression readings. jmo

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Kart43

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  • Nov 15, 2013
  • #8

While turning the crankshaft the correct direction, watch the intake valve will close as the piston rises, just before the piston reaches TDC you will see or feel the exhaust valve bump open, roll the engine a few more degrees and you are now ready to check your valve clearance. You should do this with the engine cold, with your thumb and finger rotate the push rod as you tighten the adjuster down, tighten until you cannot turn the push rod. back off a few degrees until you can turn it again. Lock it down with the lock nut. check push rod again, do both valves at the crank position.

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Provff26

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  • Nov 15, 2013
  • #9

Thanks a bunch guys

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youngengines

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  • Nov 15, 2013
  • #10

Kart43 said:

While turning the crankshaft the correct direction, watch the intake valve will close as the piston rises, just before the piston reaches TDC you will see or feel the exhaust valve bump open, roll the engine a few more degrees and you are now ready to check your valve clearance. You should do this with the engine cold, with your thumb and finger rotate the push rod as you tighten the adjuster down, tighten until you cannot turn the push rod. back off a few degrees until you can turn it again. Lock it down with the lock nut. check push rod again, do both valves at the crank position.

^^Exactly.

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Zach Jaynes

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  • Jan 4, 2014
  • #11

Kart43 said:

While turning the crankshaft the correct direction, watch the intake valve will close as the piston rises, just before the piston reaches TDC you will see or feel the exhaust valve bump open, roll the engine a few more degrees and you are now ready to check your valve clearance. You should do this with the engine cold, with your thumb and finger rotate the push rod as you tighten the adjuster down, tighten until you cannot turn the push rod. back off a few degrees until you can turn it again. Lock it down with the lock nut. check push rod again, do both valves at the crank position.


I ran across this while researching about assembling my first motor this week. I'm in no way trying to dispute or question this method, just trying to gain understanding. Why is this particular crankshaft position used to check the valve clearance and how do you know that? Before I read this I was trying to get .003" lash (per the cam card specs) and the problem that I was having was even with the valve closed I could rotate the crank a few degrees and go from probably .003" to ..30" without the valve ever moving. So, I'm gathering that you guys prefer this method described above over getting too technical on the exact amount of "measured" lash. On this note, again just trying to learn, what does more or less lash effect? Sorry for the newbie questions. I'd love to hear back on this from you guys if you don't mind.

P.S. This is a hemi predator that I'm working on.

Thanks,

Zach

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Kart43

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  • Jan 4, 2014
  • #12

You are adjusting the valve clearance on the base circle (closed portion) of the camshaft. It sounds as if you are adjusting the .003 while on the compression realease, you turn it past the compression release and you have excessive clearance. OR if you are turned past TDC in the correct direction of rotation it sounds like you have missed the cam alignment to crank marks.

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rkcarguy

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  • Jan 6, 2014
  • #13

Typically in a liquid cooled engine the valves get hotter as the engine heats up( and need space for the valve to grow and still seal), some engines require .018" clearance cold. On these clones, the growth in the aluminum air cooled head actually makes the valve clearance increase as they get warm, so many run as close to 0 as they can when cold to take advantage of every bit of lift the cam can offer.

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CRT29

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  • Jan 6, 2014
  • #14

You can also adjust the valve timing by increasing or decreasing your valve lash. I'll give up a couple thous of lift to get the correct timing. Esp on the exhaust side. Makes a huge difference.. JMO

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95 shaw

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  • Oct 30, 2019
  • #15

flattop1 said:

plenty run them .
I would say most are a little tighter. did you check them before adjustment? if so what were they at? The valve adjustment can be a lttle trickey with the compression release. couple ways, at tdc and the other method I do not quite remember but it is when one valve is closing and when one valve is opening. hope some one chimes in with that method as it does seem to be a bit better.

The method to adjust on the base circle of the cam.

Turning in the direction the engine runs;

As the exhaust starts to open, adjust the intake valve.

Turn further in the same direction;

After the intake has opened completely and just starts to close, adjust the exhaust.

No danger of being on the compression release.

Works for any engine requiring the valves to be adjusted on the base circle of the cam.

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Fly

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  • Sep 19, 2021
  • #16

Why are you adjusting the valves on the base circle? On automotive engines I have always adjusted valve lash at tdc of firing stoke intake & exhaust.
Why would these engines be differant.

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95 shaw

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  • Sep 20, 2021
  • #17

A look at where the lifters are sitting in the cam at tdc of will answer your question.

The engine in question in this thread uses a rpm deactivated compression release which holds the exhaust valve open near tdc on the compression stroke.
This requires a precise method of finding tdc.
On the correct stroke.
Which also places lifters on the base circle of cam.

The method I've given provides easy visual confirmation of being on base circle of cam, with no chance of being at wrong tdc. Or compression release creating artificial excess lash on the exhaust valve.

In the end, it's about using a simple and consistant method for adjusting valves.
Both methods adjust valves on the cam"s base circle.

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flattop1

Dawg 89
  • Sep 20, 2021
  • #18

Fly said:

Why are you adjusting the valves on the base circle? On automotive engines I have always adjusted valve lash at tdc of firing stoke intake & exhaust.
Why would these engines be differant.

When at tdc compression , you are on the base circle .

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Fly

Member
  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #19

Interesting, but using a rpm deactivated compression release which holds the exhaust valve open near tdc on the compression stroke.
Does that not hurt performance, by lowering compression. Does anyone machine that off.

OK fellows I did my research & see how that thing works by a spring. I have been a motor head all my life. But just shows there is
always things to learn. That thing only works at low RPM. Cool do you guys that race these leave it be? or remove it & use a remote
hand held starter?

Fly

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mike97760

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  • Sep 21, 2021
  • #20

Most classes dont allow remote starters, And if youre man enough to pull start one I would be afraid to run into you in a dark alley. All of our open motors are electric start but our clones, box stocks stock appearing and superstock must be pull start.

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Predator valve adjustment help? ›

You should do this with the engine cold, with your thumb and finger rotate the push rod as you tighten the adjuster down, tighten until you cannot turn the push rod. back off a few degrees until you can turn it again. Lock it down with the lock nut. check push rod again, do both valves at the crank position.

How do you tell if your valves need adjusting? ›

You should have your valve lash inspected at the manufacturer's recommended intervals. A sure sign that it's time for a valve lash adjustment is if your engine is making a loud clicking or tapping noise when starting up or if you experience a loss in engine power.

What is the rule of 13 valve adjustment? ›

The “Rule of 13” applies to most 6 cylinder engines, subtract the open valve from 13 to see which one to adjust. To adjust slip the correct feeler gauge blade under the rocker and the top of the valve stem.

Will incorrect valve clearance symptoms? ›

Too much clearance means the valves will likely clatter and, over the long term, cause damage to the valves, camshaft lobes or rocker arms. If there's too little valve clearance, the valves won't fully close, causing excessive heat, and the engine will lose power.

How do you know if your valves are too loose? ›

If the valve clearance is too tight, then the valve will open earlier and close later then intended. If it too loose, the valve will open later and close earlier.

Do you adjust valves when open or closed? ›

The Intake valve will be adjusted when the exhaust valve of the same cylinder is just starting to open and you will adjust the exhaust valve when the intake valve is just starting to close. To perform the procedure rotate the engine by hand, as soon as you see the exhaust valve begin to open adjust the intake valve.

What happens if the valves are adjusted to tight? ›

Since the valve is held open and unable to seat or close completely it can become overheated and burn. Depending on which valve it is (intake or exhaust) you can experience blow back thru the carburetor, injection intake or air flow mass body, its called a backfire.

What happens if valve clearance is too little? ›

Effect of valve clearance: If the valve gap is too small, the valve is held up after being heated, so that the valve opens early and closes late, or even can't be closed. The valve and the valve seat do not cooperate closely, resulting in valve leakage.

Can valve clearance affect power? ›

Within the manufacturers recommended range if you adjust them to the smaller clearance you will slightly increase the duration of the valve opening and increase power and higher RPM. A larger clearance with produce more power at lower RPM.

What is the 9th rule of valve adjustment? ›

We use the rule of 9 for these engines and it basically means that starting from the front of the engine if number 8 valve is open, you subtract 8 from 9 (rule of 9) and the answer is 1. So, you adjust the clearance of valve number 1. If valve number 6 is fully open, then you adjust valve number 3 (9-6=3rd valve).

What is the correct valve clearance? ›

Opinions may vary between piston and valve manufacturers, but a popular consensus is a minimum clearance of . 080-inch for the intake and . 100-inch for the exhaust. The exhaust valve expands more due to heat from combustion, and therefore needs additional clearance.

Is adjusting valves easy? ›

Adjusting valve lash is one of the simplest jobs you can do to your engine. Yeah, it looks all dark and scary under that rocker arm cover, but trust us, this is easier, cleaner and less environmentally damaging than an oil change.

How to tell when valves need adjusting? ›

If you are just wondering about frequency and notice no symptoms, then every 60,000 miles or so. But it's time for action when you hear cluttering and experience rough idling or oil consumption. Auto shops or mechanics charge around $150-$300 for the adjustment, but it depends on the make and model of your car.

What are two effects of excessive valve clearance? ›

Excessive valve clearance- noise and valve seat wear, as well as slightly less performance. This may aggravate cam and follower wear as well. Insufficient valve clearance- burned valve faces and seats, worse performance.

Can bad valve adjustment cause low compression? ›

Several valve problems can lead to low compression. For one, you may have a dropped valve seat. This is when a metal ring normally pressed into the cylinder head comes loose from heat expansion and falls out of the head, allowing air to escape into the valve port.

How often do valves need to be adjusted? ›

If you are just wondering about frequency and notice no symptoms, then every 60,000 miles or so. But it's time for action when you hear cluttering and experience rough idling or oil consumption. Auto shops or mechanics charge around $150-$300 for the adjustment, but it depends on the make and model of your car.

How do I know if my valves are bad? ›

The first sign of faulty valve seals in your car is popping noises. The engine makes a louder roar as you go faster. It indicates that some of the valve's train parts are misaligned or have worn out. Another possible cause is the car engine not receiving enough lubricant.

How do I know if my bike needs a valve adjustment? ›

Too little or tight valve tappet clearance results in:
  1. Poor engine performance.
  2. Engine stall at idle.
  3. Un stable idle rpm.
  4. Starve on acceleration.
  5. More fuel consumption.
  6. Cold start problem.
  7. High fuel consumption.
  8. Valves' heads and seats burning and chipping.
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