Content Violations Review: Manga.Gushing Over Magical Girls (2024)

@Ramidel: Sorry, this is my overall first time in this particular forum. I think I worded my intent wrong.

I guess if it's not a requirement to read the whole thing, then it's not a requirement. I just personally recommend the path of 'have the voters read the whole thing first' because I think it will decrease any chances that we make the wrong decision because we only base our decision on what's given on the surface.

But if that's a risk you guys are willing to take and have been doing, then okay, proceed with your usual methods... My suggestion is just that, mere suggestion. You can take it or just leave it, no hard feelings.

Edited by ChrisX on Apr 15th 2024 at 5:49:18 PM

Nothing about the review posted a few posts back seems creepy at all to me, just standard analysis of a weird series. Since I haven't seen the series, I'm abstaining right now, though leaning keep.

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The problem with that review interpretation is that it doesn't run in a young teenager-targeted magazine. The target market of the Seinen Demographic is late high school/college and up.

Edited by StarSword on Apr 15th 2024 at 7:24:46 AM

x9 OK, I stand corrected. And I wonder if the troper who wrote otherwise in her character page deserves official reprimand. I don't consider watching a nude performance to be an issue (unless there's signs of her being aroused by it) but the others... Ouch. My core thought was that this work does not need to be lumped into the same bin as say Kodomo No Jikan but it's hard for me to hold that argument after learning this.

I won't miss it much. If this work is supposed to be about teenagers discovering their sexualities than it does a bloody bad job of it. Main question is if the manga is as bad as the anime now.

The names of the electrical charges really ought to be swapped. It is just DUMB that the place with MORE electrons is NEGATIVELY charged.

Having seen some clips, the uncensored version of the anime seems to be at least a bit worse than the manga since it shows off nipples and a bit more of the girls' lady parts than the corresponding scenes in the manga (usually) do. Going by what others have said, it also puts more emphasis and detail into the sex scenes—which are usually just a page or three in the manga.

I'm not sure how the censored version compares to the manga, though.

As much as I hate to admit it, you are absolutely right on the anime being even more sexual than the manga: an average fanservice scene in the anime is about 5 times more detailed compared to the manga which only last a few pages at best. And no, the censored version doesn't help at all. For this reason, I'm changing my vote to keep the manga.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Apr 15th 2024 at 5:18:33 AM

MB Pending | MB Drafts | MB Dates

Seconding voting on keeping the manga. The anime's choice to go for Hotter and Sexier doesn't help it at all.

The Fight Continues!

Especially not when the manga has a not-insignificant amount of raunchy content already.

Looking at the guidelines put forth in the page, going by the four criteria listed in the "What we're looking for" section:

• Pure p*rn, or p*rn with an Excuse Plot only — No. The manga does have a fairly involved plot that parodies the traditional tropes of the magical girl genre—albeit with plenty of raunchy fanservice and the occasional sex scene sprinkled in—and in some ways the fanservice is used to advance the plot.
• Anything that has explicit underage sex — Yes. The main characters and most of their rivals are 14 years old and repeatedly engage in explicit sexual activities that are played for fanservice. The only saving grace, if it can even be called that, is that it's softcore p*rn.
• Implied sex of preteens or younger — No... debatably. Nero Alice (Morino Korisu) is nine years old, but tends to avoid getting involved in the ecchi & softcore hentai shenanigans—instead using her powers to facilitate others getting involved in said shenanigans, typically at Magia Baiser's instruction, with Leopard trying (and often failing) to keep her distracted from observing what's occurring. The times that she does get directly involved in raunchy situations tend to be when she's glamoured to look like an adult using her powers—when she's "playing nurse" with Utena and strips Magia Magenta (Haruka Hanabishi)'s skirt and panties off when she wets herself while "playing house"—and when she joins in on spanking one of the other girls' exposed backsides.
• Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count) — Yes.
  • A debatable example, but Magia Sulfur (Kaoruko Tenkawa) and Leberblume (Nemo Anemo) are flat-chested 14-year-olds who are still subjected to the same sorts of raunchy shenanigans as the more "mature-looking" girls, and take part in several of the series' occasional explicit sex scenes.
  • While Tanaka Michiko is a 20-year-old woman and looks her age in her civilian form and as Lord Enorme, Magia Baiser visualizes her as a child, strips her naked, and gives her a spanking in order to defeat her; and in her La Verità form—which she regularly uses to go undercover as the magical girl Imitatio (Imita Shion)—she looks like a prepubescent girl but is still played for fanservice.

Edited by Arawn999 on Apr 16th 2024 at 7:16:08 AM

Yikes. Cobalt nuke preparing to fire. (that means cut cut cut)

One of those tropers.

Anyone else think a crowner is necessary at this point, or is it just me?

Wow, he'd be really good at board games. (My Troper Wall)

This is definitetly one of the content violation reviews of all time.

It was also suggested to add a banner in the top of the page akin to TRS.

To my disgrace, gotta remove lots of :3.

Should also mention, I believe we're in consensus to stop troping the anime. However, whether we should continue troping the manga, or trope no aspect of this series and cut the page, is still up in the air.

Wow, he'd be really good at board games. (My Troper Wall)

I do believe a crowner is absolutely necessary at this point.

MB Pending | MB Drafts | MB Dates

That would make this the first CV thread to have a crowner. We'd need to announce it in ATT and the work page.

What are you personally leaning on: keeping or cutting?

Edited by animuacid on Apr 16th 2024 at 12:50:12 PM

To my disgrace, gotta remove lots of :3.

Keep the manga.

We'd need to announce it in ATT and the work page.

Just ATT will suffice IMO.

Edited by JHD0919 on Apr 16th 2024 at 6:54:37 AM

Wow, he'd be really good at board games. (My Troper Wall)

There are some topics where we don't normally use crowners (TLP, CM, MB) as an anonymous vote isn't ideal.

My understanding is that CV is on that list, but I'm double-checking with the team.

• We don't use crowners for Content Violations reports because of the extreme likelihood of them being brigaded by fans of the work without respect for the actual policy.
• I don't mind the idea of putting up banners for works under consideration, but I want to note for the record that popularity is not a defense against a CV action.

Apparently this manga/anime is fairly popular. That doesn't earn it a reprieve, although it does earn those people a raised eyebrow from me given what has been discussed about its content.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

For reasons discussed previously, voting cut.

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I honestly have trouble seeing why people want to keep this when, plot or no plot, it's built on the foundation of fetishized child-on-child sexual assault and veers into straight-up softcore p*rn. My understanding of the content policies here was that that's a "nuke from orbit" violation... but I guess I'm wrong?

Sure, the anime's more explicit, not every chapter contains objectionable content, and some chapters are tamer than others... but the manga includes a lot of those same scenes, most of them do, and it's still sexualized 14-year-olds, so that's not saying much.

Edited by Arawn999 on Apr 16th 2024 at 7:00:27 AM

Honestly, I don't know either.

Apparently a portion of the wiki's userbase thinks nothing of troping a work in which 9-year-olds lure 14-year-olds into graphic sex and bondage. I guess that's cool now. Normalized, even. It's a "coming of age" story.

I'm trying to resist the urge to be the Mean Mod, but I can't think of a better litmus test for what's acceptable on TV Tropes. Imagine describing the content of this to a friend or co-worker and then telling them that we have a TV Tropes article lovingly describing it.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 16th 2024 at 10:05:06 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Cut entirely per the content breakdown.

Reiterating my "cut entirely"

Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?

To me if a work has

1. a sexual scene (there's a difference from erotic content)
2. shown on-screen
3. involves a visually short character
4. doesn't have a plot excuse and could have simply not be there
5. could raise a legal question if it happened in RL

To me it's a red flag in one of the crtiteria. There are different "further degrees" of red flags, but at least it'd be one where it could be an issue if we want to stay "advertizer and family friendly".

Since a work page is for collecting tropes, I don't think what people are into is relevant. I'm more concerned if the work page was shared to random people, what % of them would raise an issue and wouldn't buy that the page is only for the story analysis.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup

I'll concede that TV Tropes is for fans to talk about things they like; that's one of our primary goals along with collecting trope examples and performing analysis. It's just that sometimes people have a hard time drawing lines between what they like and what's appropriate to talk about in a family-friendly context.

Like, I don't know that I'd feel comfortable [hypothetically] talking to my co-workers (who aren't trope addicts) about how much I enjoyed that chapter where a child mind-controlled some young teenagers into sex slavery. It would generate some awkward looks at the very least.

Maybe this is a "cultural thing"... but I don't want to be part of a culture where it's normalized, and we collectively don't want TV Tropes to be, either.

Edited by Fighteer on Apr 16th 2024 at 12:07:28 PM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Well then, should we hit the button to launch the nuke and salt the earth, or what?

One of those tropers.